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  1. Brian
    March 12, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

    flat/slotted/plain screws are the bane of my existence… not only do we have phillips, but we have sqaure and my favorite torx.

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    • Jay
      March 13, 2012 @ 5:18 pm

      The Robertson screw (square) is the best way to go. Pick up a good Robertson bit, I like the Dewalt impact ready bits. Unless your screw is at a funny angle to the bit you will hard pressed to strip the head of the screw or the bit.

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  2. John Verreault (aka Johnny Vee)
    March 12, 2012 @ 5:52 pm

    Slotted screws are, IMHO, really good for restoration of older furniture, cabinets, etc. and really should be the brass ones for looks. They also give you the ability to clock the screws (i.e. align the slots at whatever position to give a decorative look) but as for other uses…nah….I would rather use Robertson screws (“square drive” for those who don’t realize it was invented by a Canadian named Peter Lymburner Robertson). As for Philips screws, they don’t stay on the end of the driver and strip far too easily and often (and yes, I know that “they were purposely designed to cam out when the screw stalled”)…I say, just go for the Robertsons.

    Cheers
    John

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    • PaulF
      March 13, 2012 @ 5:33 pm

      Square drive screws just never caught on. Mostly because Robertson was an idiot when it came to licensing his design. There are also practical reasons why it was never adopted wider in industry too. Living like we do in the land of fools we will get Phillips screwed to the end of time.

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  3. Andrew
    March 12, 2012 @ 7:09 pm

    Temporary switch fix..

    Hi Steve,
    Getting a new switch is probably the best idea, but in the mean time I just wondered about a temporary fix.
    In the stub of the toggle you could drill a small pilot hole to accept a small screw, so the screw would replace the toggle.
    I don’t know if there is enough stub left to drill deep enough – anyway, just thinking..

    Cheers,
    Andrew.
    (Melbourne,Australia)

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  4. george
    March 13, 2012 @ 12:17 pm

    Hi steve you know these mfg,s dont realize what not having the proper hdwe with their products causes and cost. Or do they!!!!. It seams like everything i,ve bought this last year has been missing some part or piece. it realy makes me stop and think before i purchase their products. O and i love calling their support line most of them are a joke i dont want to wait a week to install and use what i purchased. Let alone drive to the home center to buy hdwe to instal their products.Wake up people when you dont get what you ordered start calling these mfg,s until their phone lines crash. whew got that off my chest. steve great show i enjoy it a lot sorry about my rants but it just frustration. cant wait to see your finnished router bench.

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  5. Rob S
    March 13, 2012 @ 2:04 pm

    Steve, I don’t care for slotted screws, either. But if it is what you have available or it’s right for what you’re building then you can drive or remove them with a power slotted screw driver bit… These come in various sizes. In fact I have an extra couple I think. If I do they are on their way to you! One mortal to another.

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  6. Anonymous
    March 13, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

    Steve,

    On your switch…

    The first thing I would do is take some Thick CA glue, put a dab on the end (mounted on vac), spray the other end (in your hand) with CA Accelerant, and work it into place where it came from on the switch… wiggle it around until it fits perfectly in place… Hold it there for a minute or two… let go… & leave it all night…

    So, before calling it a day in the shop, DO IT… LOL

    It will work as slick as you know what!

    Very good,
    Joe

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  7. Alec H
    March 13, 2012 @ 4:55 pm

    I too hate the mix of screw heads. Three minor car repair projects… three different fasteners requiring a special driver. No reason that one would have done the job for all three.

    And I would try glue first on that broken toggle… Many Rigid tools have life time warranties… oh yeah, this was abuse not covered?

    The switch does look like something I bought at Marine store so you might try there too. And, consider a wireless remote switch?

    I really enjoy your videos….

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  8. alexhb
    March 13, 2012 @ 5:11 pm

    Steve,
    Grab a toggle switch at radio shack if you’ve got them in the wild west… look for the drawers full of components usually towards the back. Just check amperage rating and buy the same or bigger. You can get some good heavy duty metal ones there!

    Man, those ground prongs don’t last long on anything… all three of our laptop chargers are missing them!

    …I do have to say, I miss your old “man with no tripod” videos when you post finished projects…. guess the others viewers don’t have their sea legs! 😀

    ~Alex

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    • PaulF
      March 13, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

      Rat Shack switches are garbage. But with some mere mortal modifications I bet Steve could fit a house wall toggle switch in there, or at least screw an electrical box to the outside of his vacuum. Form follows function in the workshop.

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  9. PaulF
    March 13, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

    Ah, the old I love Phillips but hate slotted screws talk. Which always sounds to me like whoever giving it doesn’t know much about tools or fasteners. Why is it that a Phillips crosspoint screw will cam out and strip to a cone before the head will break off? It doesn’t have to be that way, but it is designed to do it. The question is why does it though? The answer might surprise you. Go research it. I already know why, but it took me 5 search results to read it again. The truth is rarely popular.

    A slotted screw should self hold onto the end of a horizontally held slotted screwdriver or you do not have the right size. Once you’ve achieved a fit that good the performance in terms of torque far exceeds anything a Phillips screw can do. Still takes more skill and knowledge to use properly though. Commodities difficult to come by in the general population.

    None of these facts escape the astute.

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  10. Eric
    March 13, 2012 @ 6:27 pm

    Steve,

    All you need is some white hair and an Andy Rooney accent! Great observations about your shop. It’s a wonder Andy didn’t include slotted screws here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6U4IF39kqM&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL9CB01C96D7E57A49

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  11. plusafdotcom
    March 13, 2012 @ 8:24 pm

    And someone at Kreg really should take a course to learn the difference between “course” and “coarse”…

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  12. Trupie
    March 14, 2012 @ 4:35 am

    Hello Steve, There are, in my opinion, many ways to avoid stepping on your electric cords just incorporate one main to your work bench or have the cords higher up above your head.

    About the screws, they are still produced because there are so may standards. I really don’t see them disappearing any time soon.

    This comment is about the equipment we buy. I guess I’m lucky because I have not collected so many different tools and machines until I finished work and retired. I guess what you have to do is buy new tools, etc. and let go of the old. It isn’t easy because there are so many options today.

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  13. 7.62x54r
    March 14, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

    I was in the big orange box today and saw a 3/4″ rod coupling for about $2.00. Yeah, I hate them, but it’s hard to beat the prices a lot of times.

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  14. Mick
    June 18, 2016 @ 2:09 am

    I recently saw a TV programme about restoration of the carriages for the Orient Express Train.

    Not only do they have to use slotted screws for the sake of period appearance but the Manager from Orient Express, responsible for overseeing restoration work, goes all over the work and if the slots are not all aligned the same way, for the the area they are in, he refuses to sign the work off.

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